Слушать тут:http://varivchenko.com/blog/?podcast=%d0%ad%d0%bf%d0%b8%d0%b7%d0%be%d0%b4-3-%d0%9f%d1%80%d0%be-%d0%b1%d0%bb%d0%be%d0%ba%d0%b8%d1%80%d0%be%d0%b2%d0%ba%d1%83-%d0%b8%d0%bd%d1%84%d0%be%d1%80%d0%bc%d0%b0%d1%86%d0%b8%d0%b8-%d0%b2-%d0%98%d0%bdИли тут:https://anchor.fm/ilya-varivchenko/episodes/3-e8ob1k/a-a104fvf